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tikkunolamorgtfo:
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nigga-kun:
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erik-killmongerwasright:
nigga-kun:
this binch deadass blocked me when all i said was “this not a good look for you fam” and then proceeded to write a whole paragraph about how niggers hate jewish ppl, anyway someone tell them they bitchmade and that they should maybe stay out of black ppl’s issues since they dont know how to interact w/o black ppl without thinking of it as an “attack”
@tikkunolamorgtfo
Excuse me, where did I say Black people hate Jewish people?
I’ve unblocked you. Let’s talk. Where did I say this?
Maybe I’m getting my facts from the wrong sources, but a lot of what you’re saying implies that black ppl hate jewish people for not taking their holidays into consideration. I apologize if the following info is something you already knew, but i’m just gonna lay it all out here anyway:
1) To do this march at the washington mall meant they had to reserve this space way ahead of time. like a year in advance.
2) a lot of jewish leaders weren’t involved in the first place because they didn’t seem to be interested, nor did they say “hey as long as its not on this day, so that we can join in” (if this is false, i apologize, i may not have been as informed as i thought)
3) after the fact that it came to light that it was on a Jewish holiday, a lot of nonblack jewish ppl (im saying nonblack bc from what i saw, black jewish ppl did have an issue w/ this, which is their right) suddenly came up into arms about how this march didn’t include Jewish ppl given the fact that neonazi’s are in open.
ignoring how their reasoning was because it was the anniversary of like, the largest lynching in history (because as you said, they didn’t realize this until afterwards), all of the black ppl who have an issue with the way you phrased certain things are black, and you’re calling all of this an “attack”, which btw all i said was “this aint a good look fam” because i dont know you, where you got your sources from, all i knew was the facts i had at hand and how other black ppl were regarding you + your history wrt black ppl’s issues.
also it wouldnt be the first time a nonblack person had issues w/ black ppl for organizing for a cause, so i had my own suspicions.
Okay, thank you for actually responding.
First of all, the march organisers were people from varying backgrounds (Black, Brown, Indigenous, Muslim, etc.), so when I talk about the organisers, I do not mean Black people. I mean the individual people on the committee, this is not on Black people as a group. At all.
Okay, so here’s the thing: They actually did have a rabbi involved, Rabbi Hannah Spiro. And also a totally different date in mind: September 9th, which was the anniversary of the Stono Rebellion, a slave rebellion in 18th Century South Carolina.
They could not get a permit for 9th. The city of DC offered September 30th and some dates in October/November. The rabbi said “If you choose this date, most Jews won’t be able to come,” and they decided to go with it anyway because it was the soonest available date, and they wanted to address things like Charlottesville as soon as possible.
Soon after, somebody noticed that this date corresponded with the Elaine Massacre and they decided to turn the march into a memorial for that instead. It was serendipitous that they were able to do this, especially given that they were unable to focus on the Stono Rebellion like they had hoped.
So my complaint was: When the Rabbi said “I get this is the first available date, but you’ll be excluding lots of Jewish people by choosing it” that they decided it this was acceptable.
I have 0 issues with the fact that, after making the first decision, they decided to make the march a memorial. I think that’s a beautiful thing! I once they did that, I never expected them to change the date.
My complaint was and has always been that—before they realised the anniversary coincided—that they decided to take the first available date at the cost of not being inclusive of Jewish people after they had already said that fighting anti-Semitism was part of their platform. That is and has always been my only problem.
This has never had anything to do with me being offended that the Black community as a whole mourned their dead on that date. Only that the organisers (again, people of varying backgrounds) decided to choose expediency over Jewish inclusion (before the anniversary discovered). That’s all.
This does not mean that Black people are specifically anti-Jewish or that non-Jewish Black people owe Jewish issues more attention than their own. Not the case. At all. I have never said/thought that the Black community is responsible for anti-Semitism or that, beyond being inclusive of Black Jews, that they need to be more aware of Jewish issues than their own. I have solely pointed out that the racially diverse organisers of a march who were supposed to be including Jews ultimately failed to and that it was a problem. My issue was not and has never been the later decision to honour the Elaine Massacre, only what happened before that.
I hope this clarifies somewhat?
oh, okay! yeah that clarifies it for me. thanks for responding! That does make a lot of sense, then.
Okay, good! I’m really glad we were able to talk this out. Thank you for engaging.
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tikkunolamorgtfo:
nigga-kun:
tikkunolamorgtfo:
nigga-kun:
tikkunolamorgtfo:
tikkunolamorgtfo:
erik-killmongerwasright:
nigga-kun:
this binch deadass blocked me when all i said was “this not a good look for you fam” and then proceeded to write a whole paragraph about how niggers hate jewish ppl, anyway someone tell them they bitchmade and that they should maybe stay out of black ppl’s issues since they dont know how to interact w/o black ppl without thinking of it as an “attack”
@tikkunolamorgtfo
Excuse me, where did I say Black people hate Jewish people?
I’ve unblocked you. Let’s talk. Where did I say this?
Maybe I’m getting my facts from the wrong sources, but a lot of what you’re saying implies that black ppl hate jewish people for not taking their holidays into consideration. I apologize if the following info is something you already knew, but i’m just gonna lay it all out here anyway:
1) To do this march at the washington mall meant they had to reserve this space way ahead of time. like a year in advance.
2) a lot of jewish leaders weren’t involved in the first place because they didn’t seem to be interested, nor did they say “hey as long as its not on this day, so that we can join in” (if this is false, i apologize, i may not have been as informed as i thought)
3) after the fact that it came to light that it was on a Jewish holiday, a lot of nonblack jewish ppl (im saying nonblack bc from what i saw, black jewish ppl did have an issue w/ this, which is their right) suddenly came up into arms about how this march didn’t include Jewish ppl given the fact that neonazi’s are in open.
ignoring how their reasoning was because it was the anniversary of like, the largest lynching in history (because as you said, they didn’t realize this until afterwards), all of the black ppl who have an issue with the way you phrased certain things are black, and you’re calling all of this an “attack”, which btw all i said was “this aint a good look fam” because i dont know you, where you got your sources from, all i knew was the facts i had at hand and how other black ppl were regarding you + your history wrt black ppl’s issues.
also it wouldnt be the first time a nonblack person had issues w/ black ppl for organizing for a cause, so i had my own suspicions.
Okay, thank you for actually responding.
First of all, the march organisers were people from varying backgrounds (Black, Brown, Indigenous, Muslim, etc.), so when I talk about the organisers, I do not mean Black people. I mean the individual people on the committee, this is not on Black people as a group. At all.
Okay, so here’s the thing: They actually did have a rabbi involved, Rabbi Hannah Spiro. And also a totally different date in mind: September 9th, which was the anniversary of the Stono Rebellion, a slave rebellion in 18th Century South Carolina.
They could not get a permit for 9th. The city of DC offered September 30th and some dates in October/November. The rabbi said “If you choose this date, most Jews won’t be able to come,” and they decided to go with it anyway because it was the soonest available date, and they wanted to address things like Charlottesville as soon as possible.
Soon after, somebody noticed that this date corresponded with the Elaine Massacre and they decided to turn the march into a memorial for that instead. It was serendipitous that they were able to do this, especially given that they were unable to focus on the Stono Rebellion like they had hoped.
So my complaint was: When the Rabbi said “I get this is the first available date, but you’ll be excluding lots of Jewish people by choosing it” that they decided it this was acceptable.
I have 0 issues with the fact that, after making the first decision, they decided to make the march a memorial. I think that’s a beautiful thing! I once they did that, I never expected them to change the date.
My complaint was and has always been that—before they realised the anniversary coincided—that they decided to take the first available date at the cost of not being inclusive of Jewish people after they had already said that fighting anti-Semitism was part of their platform. That is and has always been my only problem.
This has never had anything to do with me being offended that the Black community as a whole mourned their dead on that date. Only that the organisers (again, people of varying backgrounds) decided to choose expediency over Jewish inclusion (before the anniversary discovered). That’s all.
This does not mean that Black people are specifically anti-Jewish or that non-Jewish Black people owe Jewish issues more attention than their own. Not the case. At all. I have never said/thought that the Black community is responsible for anti-Semitism or that, beyond being inclusive of Black Jews, that they need to be more aware of Jewish issues than their own. I have solely pointed out that the racially diverse organisers of a march who were supposed to be including Jews ultimately failed to and that it was a problem. My issue was not and has never been the later decision to honour the Elaine Massacre, only what happened before that.
I hope this clarifies somewhat?
oh, okay! yeah that clarifies it for me. thanks for responding! That does make a lot of sense, then.
Okay, good! I’m really glad we were able to talk this out. Thank you for engaging.
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